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The laws of our universe do not apply to the spiritual universe. They do not even apply to other material planes. However, the laws of the spiritual universe apply to all material universes, and all consciousnesses on any plane must follow the basic laws of the spiritual universe. Read more:
On this website we have discussed the possibility of life on other celestial bodies and that the prophecies tell us about living beings existing on all of them and also on heavenly bodies nearest to us like on the Moon and on the Sun and on the planets of our solar system.
Now a principle governing these possibilities is found in Bertha Dudde’s message B.D. NR. 8648, which reads: “Everything outside of life on earth is hereafter.”
And there it also says that all celestial bodies hold spiritual in the most different degrees of development.
Now this principle indicates that we here on earth have a state of consciousness that is unique for this planet and on other heavenly bodies other states of consciousness exist.
The scientific side of this website was quite busy, in particular during the last few months, to report and discuss scientific developments and there especially the development in physics and there again it was the Standard Model that was of interest and the latest entry was eight days ago,
2012 Jan 17 – The problems of the physicists,
where it was expressed that the present ideas of physicists, where the LHC and the search for the Higgs boson are involved, were not exactly very satisfying and that other models should be considered.
Now today I read something that caught my attention because the heading was “Why life begins and ends on Earth.”
Here follow some quotes from this article:
Why life begins and ends on Earth
Advanced life is unique to our planet - despite Stephen Hawking and SETI’s best hopes, argues Steve Jones.
Stephen Hawking’s 70th birthday reminds us of his celebrated claim that, given the thousands of Earth-like planets outside the solar system, on purely statistical grounds life almost certainly exists somewhere else. The celebrated SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) programme assumes that living things will inevitably evolve to get smarter and smarter and may be sending out signals to be picked up by their distant fellows. So far, alas, it has heard nothing but noise.
At 1.15 today in a public lecture at University College London, the biochemist Nick Lane will pour a dash of metaphorical cold water on that notion. He argues that advanced life (and that stretches from amoeba to us) is unique: that the chance of its origin is so remote that it happened only once, and almost certainly has no equivalent anywhere else.
So after having read this I kept thinking about this subject and then I turned to what follows where the talk is about a basic universe or inner universe or basic universe of reality or reality universe and of camouflage universes like ours. And that there are basic laws of the inner universe that also apply to all camouflage universes. And that the so-called laws of our camouflage universe do not apply to the inner universe and also not even to the other camouflage universes.
I am now bringing excerpts from a message that Seth dictated. Seth is a former inhabitant of earth and used Jane Roberts as his speaker and she spoke the message in the presence of her husband, Rob Butts, and he wrote it down. They called it Session 44, and it was given and received on the 15th of April 1964.
Here now the excerpts:
I am pleased that you are so pleased with our last session. I was in fact going to speak about dream location, in that you definitely experience these locations in your dreams, which take up no room in your space.
On one level they could be said not to exist, and yet they do exist. While in your dream, you are able to see and touch and move about in these locations. It is only when you awake that they escape you. This should be considered along with our material on the expanding universe, since dream locations represent, certainly, a reality, even a framework that has no existence in your space; and measured purely along the lines used to measure your space, you would receive no hint at all of their existence or reality. Measured purely in terms of your camouflage conceptions, many things which you know to exist would seem not to exist.
You cannot deny your own psychological reality, but sometimes it seems as if you would if you could. You cannot feel outwardly, or see or measure, an emotion, and an emotion takes up no space. Emotions still exist. Feelings intensify. In value they can be said to expand, yet this very real intensity or value expansion of a feeling takes up no additional space than it did at its conception.
The color red is more vivid than the color black, using black here as color. However red takes up no more space than black. In other words expansion, occurring in terms of value quality, or gradations of intensity, has nothing to do with expansion in space. And expansion of value and intensity is the only real form of expansion.
I have said that the mind cannot be detected by your instruments at present. The mind does not take up space, and yet the mind is the value that gives power to the brain. The mind expands continually, both in individual terms and in terms of the species as a whole, and yet the mind takes up neither more or less space, whether it be the mind of a flea or a man.
The mind simply does not exist in spatial terms. You have no way of measuring the mind’s expansion, any more than you can measure the expansion of the universe as long as you are thinking in terms of expansion in space. To deny the reality of what not exists in space would be to deny much of mankind’s own heritage and abilities.
Again, the dream world exists in a very personal, vivid and valid manner, but the dream world does not take up so many inches or feet or yards or acres. Now we get into something else. If the dream world exists, and it does, and if it does not exist in space, then in what, or where, does it have its existence, and what paths if any will lead us to it?
Since I have also said that basically the universe has no more to do with space in your terms than does the dream world, you may deduce a similarity between the medium in which both the basic universe and the dream world may be found. You must understand here that your idea of space is something quite different from the reality of our fifth dimensional space. I want to make this plain again before we continue.
Your idea of space is some completely erroneous conception of an emptiness to be filled. Things, planes, stars, nebulae, come into being in this universe of yours. They are born continually according to your latest theories, and this universe expands – pushed, so to speak, so that its sides bulge, the outer galaxies literally bursting out into nowhere. True fifth-dimensional space, as I have said often, is to the contrary vital energy, itself alive, possessing endless abilities of transformation, forming all existences, forming even the camouflage universe with which you are familiar, and which you attempt to probe so ineffectively.
This fifth dimensional space, this basic universe of reality of which I speak, expands constantly in terms of intensity and quality and value, in a way that has nothing to do with your idea of space.
The basic inner universe beneath all camouflage does not have an existence in space at all, as you envision it. Space as you envision it, that is as an emptiness to be filled, is a camouflage.
Dreams, the dream world, these do not exist to any real degree in time as you know time. Weeks may be experienced in a dream, and the dream may take but a split second of your clock time. The inner thoughts of the mind exist but briefly in time, and even this small tinge of time that touches both dreams and ideas is not basic to either the dream or the idea.
This tinge of time is an attribute of the physical camouflage form only, and even then the relationship between time and ideas, and time and dreams, is a nebulous one. As I have mentioned, though you experience two days in a dream, you are while in that dream free from the time involved, in that you do not age two days, although you have psychologically experienced that apparent time.
The dream world and the mind are touched by time, and exist in it only in so far as these realities dip into the camouflage universe. Basically both the dream world and the ideas of the inner mind do not have their existence in time, although they may be visible from the perspective of time, viewed from the physical form.
The reality of the inner universe also does not exist basically in time as you conceive it, although in some instances parts of it may be glimpsed from the camouflage time perspective; only however a very small portion.
If the dream world and the mind and the inner universe do exist, and if they do not exist in space, and if they do not exist basically in time, though they may be glimpsed through time, then your question will be: in what medium or in what manner do they exist; and without time how can they be said to exist in duration?
You already have many clues that I have given you. The answer itself should not seem unbelievable. You know for a fact that dreams exist. You know that the mind exists, you have personal intimate direct knowledge of these. I am telling you that the basic universe exists behind all camouflage universes in the same manner, and taking up no space, that the mind exists behind the brain.
The brain is a camouflage pattern. It takes up space. It exists in time. The mind takes up no space, it does not have its basic existence in time. The reality of the inner universe does not take up space, nor does it have its basic existence in time. Your camouflage universe, on the other hand, takes up space and has an existence in time, but it is not the real and basic universe, any more than the brain is the mind.
Now nevertheless the dream world, the mind and the reality universe do exist. They exist in a climate that we will call the value climate of psychological reality. This is the medium. This takes the place of what you call space. This value climate of psychological reality is a quality which makes all existence and consciousness possible. It is one of the most powerful principles behind or within the vitality that itself composes from itself all other phenomena.
One of the main attributes of this value climate is spontaneity, that shows itself in the existence of the only sort of time that has any real meaning, that of the spacious present.
The spacious present does not contradict the existence of durability, but durability does not imply the existence of a future as you conceive it. Now this may appear contradictory, but later I hope that you will understand this more clearly. The spacious present, while existing spontaneously, while happening simultaneously, still contains within it qualities of duration.
An idea is not itself aware of presence, past and future for example, and yet having no experience with present, past and future, it still endures. Nor does the duration involved in the spacious present in any way involve a suspension in terms of, for example, growth forbidden to achieve maturity.
Growth in your camouflage universe often involves the taking up of more space. Actually in our inner universe of reality growth exists in terms of the value or quality expansion of which I have spoken, and does not, I repeat, does not imply any sort of space expansion. Nor does it imply, as growth does in your camouflage universe, a sort of projection into time.
I realize that this material is difficult, and I am giving it to you in as simple terms as possible. If growth is one of the most necessary laws of your camouflage universe, value fulfillment corresponds to it in the inner reality universe.
Now the so-called laws of your camouflage universe do not apply to the inner universe. They do not even apply to other camouflage planes. However, the laws of the inner universe apply to all camouflage universes, and all consciousnesses on any plane must follow the basic laws of the inner universe. Some of these basic laws have counterparts known and accepted on various camouflage planes. There are various manifestations of these laws and various names given to them.
These basic laws are followed on many levels in your own universe. We will go into these laws in time. So far I have given you but one, which is value fulfillment.
In your physical universe this rule is followed as physical growth. The entity follows this rule through the cycle of reincarnations. The species of mankind, and all other species in your universe on your particular horizontal plane, follow this law under the auspices of evolution. On other planes this law is carried through in other manners, but it is never ignored.
The second law of the inner universe is energy transformation. This occurs constantly.
Energy transformation and value fulfillment, all existing within the spacious present, add up to a durability that is at the same time spontaneous. Energy transformation and value fulfillment add up to a durability that is simultaneous.
You may see what we are getting into here. Our third law is spontaneity, and despite all appearances of beginning and end, despite all appearances of death and decay, all consciousness exists in the spacious present, in a spontaneous manner, in simultaneous harmony, and yet within the spacious present there is also durability.
Durability is our fourth law. Durability within the framework of the spacious present would not exist were it not for the laws of value fulfillment and energy transformation. These make duration within the spacious present not only possible but necessary.
Now, on your particular camouflage universe you are learning energy transformation. And in your case you are learning to transform inner energy by forming it into physical constructions that the plane enables you to manipulate by the formation of particular outer senses for this purpose. You are severely limited as yet in the use of your abilities. When the two laws of value fulfillment and energy transformation are mastered, then duration is a natural consequence.
What you consider death has no more basic reality than has your idea of time and place. Death really represents a blind spot in your present ability to perceive energy transformation, and even value fulfillment. Death merely represents the termination of your own perception, that is, the termination of your understanding. Your ability here amounts to a complete dwindling of comprehension. Your senses are not equipped to perceive the transformation of energy from one form to another.
Certainly the birth of a child is really basically just as incomprehensible, but this transformation is projected into, rather than out of, your sphere of understanding. What you call death is merely the transformation of your own energy onto a sphere that cannot be perceived by the outer senses. I hope that I have made this material plain enough for your plane.
Actually, duration itself is dependent upon such transformation. We have managed together to do extremely well with this evening’s session, and I dare say that I came through in excellent fashion.
I want to make one note here, that again experience in the use of psychological time will bring you close to an understanding of the value climate of psychological reality, for obvious reasons. Psychological time indeed is a part of this climate as it appears in fairly uncamouflaged form in your own universe. You can get the feel of it.
I am not giving you these laws necessarily in the order of their importance, merely in the order which is easiest for me to deliver to you. Creation is obviously one of the basic laws, which we will call the fifth law.
In your physical universe this law is followed through idea constructions which become idea approximations of inner reality that are, nevertheless, distorted to a large degree, and make up the various camouflage patterns with which you are familiar.
We will go into these laws, and outline others in future sessions. You will see also how the inner senses are equipped to manipulate within your camouflage universe.
This material is actually not nearly as difficult to understand as it may seem. Intuitively you should pick up much of it. The intuitions are not bound by the so-called laws of logic, and cause and effect. They do not take time as you know it into consideration, therefore they are not bound by continuity or limited to communication of words or even thoughts, strung out one after the other.
The intuitions are able to accept conceptual reality to some degree. They can feel the content and validity of a concept, where the brain itself may fall short. I am tempted to go into more laws this evening. However it is best that I withhold them until you grow more familiar with this evening’s material.
Remember however our universe that fulfills itself yet takes up no spaces, and our imaginary painting in which distance appears ever further in the background, while never touching the back of the painting, and this may give you some intuitive understanding of our spacious present that has duration, and yet takes up no space.
Contradictions, or rather apparent contradictions in terms will arise only out of false conception on your part, mostly as a result of the erroneous cause-and-effect system. Obviously cause and effect has only limited application even on your plane and in your camouflage universe.
If cause and effect were an absolute law, then continuity would also have to be an absolute law, and all or any evidences of clairvoyance, or viewing the future, would be absolutely impossible, even in your universe, and this simply is not so. It is only because there is basically no cause and effect, but merely apparent cause and effect, and no past, present and future, that clairvoyance is possible in your universe.
And while awareness of clairvoyance is fairly rare, it does exist; and though watered down in most instances, is a natural method of warning individuals of happenings with which their own outer senses would not be familiar. It is a natural method of protecting the individual by giving him an inner knowledge of events. Without constant clairvoyance on the part of every man and woman, existence on your plane would involve such inner, psychological insecurity that it would be completely unbearable.
Individuals are always warned of disasters, so that the organism can prepare itself ahead of time. The day of death is known. Consciously such knowledge is not given to the ego for obvious reasons, but every organism, through its inner senses, is equipped with subconscious knowledge of personal disaster, deaths, and so forth, the personality itself deciding beforehand what it considers disastrous; and the members of the species as a whole know in advance of their wars. As telepathy operates constantly at a subconscious level, as a basis for all language and communication, so clairvoyance operates continually so that the physical organism can prepare itself to face its challenges.
The inner senses also convey the knowledge that death is merely an energy transformation, and your almost numberless religions merely represent idea symbols that attempt to make this knowledge plain to the ego. That they deal with distortions and camouflage material is not to be wondered at. They have managed in some way to make this inner knowledge a part of the ego-understanding of the species.
Now this was what Seth was saying. He spoke through Jane Roberts, the wife of Rob Buts. And Robert F. Butts wrote it down.
The vocabulary used by Seth is not exactly everyday vocabulary and that is the normal problem with writings of spiritual nature and makes understanding of spiritual matters quite difficult.
So let us have a look at it.
The basic universe or inner universe or basic universe of reality or reality universe could also be called the spiritual world.
A camouflage universe is what the Bible calls the temporary physical world.
The basic laws of the inner universe are the spiritual laws.
The value climate of psychological reality would probably have something to do with heaven, with that part of the spiritual kingdom which is called the kingdom of light, therefore not that part that is called the kingdom of darkness. It might also be the kingdom of darkness, but then the value would be a rather negative value. But according to Seth this value climate of psychological reality is a quality which makes all existence and consciousness possible. So he is talking here about creation and creation comes from heaven, and not from hell. Hell is not even able to have an influence on creation – directly. Hell can only get man to act like hell to influence physical creation. So it is rather heaven.
The spacious present is something like the eternal Now. It contains everything. Past, present and future are just things of our physical world, and probably also of just this physical world – the planet Earth. Other physical worlds might not have them.
Now value fulfilment is mentioned together with energy transformation and value fulfilment happens in the basic universe and this corresponds to growth in the camouflage universe. We live in the physical word, a camouflage universe and there people go for growth. They grow themselves, from childhood to manhood, and they want to grow things like crops and they want that their bank account grows and that their reputation grows. But all this is physical growth and that means these things grow by sight, they grow as the eyes of people are fixed on them. These things are seen and they are temporary. But we are to live in the basic university and that means that we are to live by faith. So we are to fix our eyes on what is unseen, because what is unseen is eternal. So value fulfilment is what the Bible describes as living in the spiritual realm and that means that we transform the energy available to us to achieve real value, to achieve fulfilment and fulfilment will be of no value in the hereafter when we are after material things.
And this value fulfilment, this striving for spiritual goals, means to seek the kingdom of God and to seek it first, and to seek God’s righteousness and then, when we do this, then all these things shall be added unto us. And “things” are material things.
And to seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness means to love God and the neighbour. And loving the neighbour will be the proof that we love God. And this again is the key value fulfilment and this will be the yardstick against we measure, for example the ideas of the atheists: where is the love for the neighbour?
“When the two laws of value fulfillment and energy transformation are mastered, then duration is a natural consequence.” And when this is mastered, when duration is a natural consequence, then we have produced for eternity, something we can take with us into the hereafter, into the basic universe.
All the physical things have no real duration. We have to leave them behind us. So real duration depends on using, or transforming, energy the right way.
And the inner senses are those senses with which we operate in the spiritual realm, with the outer senses we perceive the physical world.
Now a definition of the term ‘camouflage’ as used by Seth, coming from Seth himself: “Now at times I will be using the term ‘camouflage,’ referring to the physical world to which the outer ego relates, for physical form is one of the camouflages that reality adopts.”
Now we want to have a look at camouflage universes and how different camouflage universes relate to each other and see what Seth has to say about this:
… forms vary on different planes, are visible or invisible according to your own situation. A form that may be perceived by you as solid may be seen merely as an electrical unit on another plane, or as color on a third. You, for example … are perceived by others on other planes at this moment, but to them you are not seen in the form with which you are familiar.
The universe as you think of it contains innumerable planes, all taking up, in your terms, the same amount of space. The forms within these planes are in constant motion, as are the planes themselves. There is a continual exchange of energy and vitality, in other words, of actual atoms and molecules between one plane and another … the interaction and movement of even one plane through another results in effects that will be perceived in various ways … as necessary distortive boundaries, in some cases resembling a flow as if a plane were surrounded by water, or in other cases a charge as of electricity. But on each plane the effects … of this interchange of energy will take on the camouflage [physical appearance] of the particular plane.
Using the senses developed on a particular plane to perceive its characteristic camouflage patterns, it is almost impossible to see beyond these boundary effects. The inner senses are inherently equipped to do this, but for many reasons they do not. The appearance of an expanding universe is also caused, therefore, by this distortive boundary effect …
In some cases the distortion could be likened to the reflection of a solid tree in water. The outer senses, observing the reflection, might try to judge the depth of the water by the height of the tree, supposing it to be as deep as the tree is high …
So that was Seth. And now what Bertha Dudde has to say to all of this: “Everything outside of life on earth is hereafter.”
Finally I want to come back to something that was expressed here at the beginning: “He argues that advanced life (and that stretches from amoeba to us) is unique: that the chance of its origin is so remote that it happened only once, and almost certainly has no equivalent anywhere else.” Here we have a problem of several which alone already is enough to completely discard evolution teaching. The chance of the origin of life, as the teaching of evolution tries to explain it, is totally remote from all reality.
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